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Well, uh, we first came to the, one of the artificialities that I recall as a Nintendo

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practice, uh, yeah, you can say that.

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You were pretty much upset about this whole experience, with something doing good, volume

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and keeping with Dr. Stevens.

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Uh, okay, right.

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It came out.

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It came out.

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And you want to talk to Steve?

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Because just about this time, well, as a result of a former marriage, I had two sons.

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And occasionally I began becoming depressed at the spawn of thinking about them.

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And I hadn't, well, I had stopped drinking from 1950 until about 1961.

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And, uh, then I began drinking, so that, uh, though I had gone to Dr. Stevens for one,

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for what was an obvious or an apparent reason, he became interested in my returning to drink

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in 1961.

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And, uh, I happened to mention, uh, what I had talked to him about, uh, Betty and I seeing

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a UFO.

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And then he thought this was, uh, possible, or the reason that I had to return to drink

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in the 1950s.

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And now, as I was saying, you know, you had gone to Dr. Stevens for this problem, and

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the experience of the UFO came out as a part of your therapy, yes, and began to take,

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to, uh, gain, uh, grants, signatures and importance, and that Steve was then thought we should

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start at this.

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But I remember that also Betty had been troubled with, who was the nightmare that she had,

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in which she had some feelings that might have been kidnapped.

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Yes.

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Is that right?

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Yes, this is correct.

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And she told you about it?

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Yes.

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And, uh, she told you about these things in ordinary conversations?

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Did you ever listen to any of our nightmares?

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No, I had not.

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Oh, you were always asleep?

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And, uh, well, now you two sleep in double bed?

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No, we sleep, yes, we sleep together, yes, and a little bit, no double bed, or at least

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a bed that's called a toilet.

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And, uh, Betty talking to us, though she doesn't, oh, she knows you better, she might know that

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she doesn't, she does not.

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Oh, that when I am awake sometimes and she's asleep, I've never heard her, you know, I've

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heard her talk to me.

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Now, what does she describe these things?

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How much did she tell you about it?

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What did she tell you she had feelings?

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She would tell me that somehow she is wondering if there's any reference or relation to her

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dreams and to those missing minutes up there in the White Mountains.

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And then you'd head to Ashland.

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How about these minutes?

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This was pointed out only by the Mr. Cormier and Mr. Jackson.

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Your area of interest, that is, you were not aware, it did take you longer on the trip,

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but then you had a lot of exchanges on the trip.

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You hadn't been aware of the trip to the successes?

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No, I kind of thought by the experiences of the trade.

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Only when you pointed out, did that seem to be a tip.

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Yes, because he thought it was interesting that we said we had heard a beeping sound at

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Indian Head, and then we picked up a story by saying, and then when we reached Ashland,

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We reached Ashland, we heard this beeping sound again.

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They said, well, what's happening in between the period of time from Ashland, from Indian

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head to Ashland, which is approximately 35 miles?

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And I just couldn't seem to recall.

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I just thought that, well, I probably was driving my car.

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Then I realized that I had been driving for a period of time with no knowledge of passing

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anything or going down this particular highway in this section.

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Did you miss anyone?

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Have any cars?

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Nobody had a line happen there.

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You were not particularly impressed by the fact that I'm not.

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I was very impressed.

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Now you will recall, fully, all the experiences that we have talked about in this office,

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all of them, and all your feelings that they would have attached you anymore.

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You will recall all your feelings, all your experiences, and those things that you think may have been experiences.

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some men in dark clothes.

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You describe them as looking like tea jackets or some kind of uniform.

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Is that right?

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Now, how did you learn about this experience?

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You didn't really have it, did you?

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Because in the sequestered, you were hypnotized.

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Yeah, I mean, I was just a servant.

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Yes, that's true, but then you told us about the experience.

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All right?

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Somebody told you about this before that, in some way.

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He was beddy, beddy, right?

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And how did she tell you about it?

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Well, she would say that she had had a dream, and the dream was that she had been taking aboard a UFO.

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And that I was also in her dream and was taking aboard.

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And she told me that she didn't speak to you about it.

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But how did you tell you about it?

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She would tell me this, usually when someone would ask us about our signing of a UFO,

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and then she would mention this, and I just told her it was a dream and nothing to get alarmed about.

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Did you have a story?

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All the details, did you tell me all the details about the UFO?

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She would tell me a great many of the details of her dreams, but she was not searching to the location where we had stopped.

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And she would tell me she had gone into this UFO and had talked with the people there on board.

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And she was told that she would forget.

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In her dreams she would forget this, and she said she would tell me that she was determined she would not forget,

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that she had told these people in this UFO that she would not forget.

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And this was the way she would tell me of her dreams.

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And I told her they were only dreams, and that I can't believe whatever these dreams are that she's having,

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except that she is having nightmares of their frightening.

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And she said, no, they're not frightening.

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It is just that she feels that somehow there is some connection between her dreams,

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because she has never dreamed of UFOs before.

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And she would tell me that they had stopped something in her navel causing great pain,

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and that just a leave of the hand, this pain disappeared.

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And she was not telling this to me, but I would be present while she was telling it to friends of ours,

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to what to web, when we would see him, and he would ask us about the UFO sighting that we had had.

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And then I would hear her dreams, but never did she tell this actually to me that she told me what they did to you.

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And it was funny that they had come into a rolling with my teeth, and they were quite startled that her teeth had not come out,

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and mine could, and this is all she knew about me.

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What was all she thinking of the UFO that she told me about?

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No, she never told me that.

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I was lying on a table, and I was being turned over, and I felt this pain going into my rectum,

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and it did not pain me, and it was gone for a long while while you were lying on the table.

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September the 20th.

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I was lying on a table, and she just told me this was all a dream.

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This was not my dream, it was the funny she dreams, but this was not what she told me in her dreams.

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This was not her dream.

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I never knew this happened, and I am very puzzled that I could think that this happened,

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and I never knew it had happened.

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And not all of this pain about you are being taken aboard the UFO, and being examined, and having your teeth taken, and all of the examination.

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This is all told to you by Betty, wasn't it?

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No, Betty never told me only about my teeth, only about your teeth.

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But how did you get the other information?

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I was hypnotized by Dr. Sainton's, and he told me all of it?

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No, he did not tell me this.

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He made me go back to September 19th, when I left Montreal, and he was going home to Pruett'swood,

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and he had me hypnotized, and he kept telling me to go further and further along my trip,

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and tell him what was happening to me each time as I drove along the highway.

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And then I began to see things that I had never seen before, and I knew that I had seen a UFO.

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And my last remembrance of it was when I reached Indian Head, and had gotten out of my car, and looked at what this UFO was,

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and I saw some eyes staring down at me, and I was coming closer and closer to this UFO,

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and I could not believe it was there, and yet I could not make it go away,

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and I was compelled to go closer, and I prayed to God to make me a UFO, and I prayed that I could get away and run back to the car,

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and that I did, and the eyes kept following me back to my car, and I felt very, very upset,

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and I said, Benny, they're going to capture us, and look out the window, and I saw it as it stormed around to the rear of my car,

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but then I was driving down the highway, and Benny was looking out her window, and she said,

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I don't see it, I don't see it, and I said it is there, it's right above us, Benny, look!

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And I was hurrying to get away, and I kept driving, and driving, and driving, and I made a turn,

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and I never knew this, and I felt no lie, I had to make that turn, and I was lost,

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and I saw that I was in a strange area on the highway that I had never been before,

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and I was being stopped, and I was very uncomfortable, but somehow the eyes were telling me that I should be calm,

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and I would not be harmed, and to relax, and I saw these men coming down toward me,

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and I didn't really see them, and told me that there had been men not being stopped,

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but I was in the wrong road, I didn't think that there were men there, they were there,

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and I did not think this, I never knew this, I never knew this, because I was hypnotized by Dr. Siamans,

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and he told me I would remember, and I remembered, I remember what you felt, as well as anything that might happen,

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because you just knew it, you knew it, you knew it, no, I did not dream this, I ran down the road, and I just stopped,

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and I started to get out of my car, and I felt myself being supported by two men, and my eyes were closed,

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and I felt I should be very afraid, and yet they had done something, Betty told you this,

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and I told you this, she told you this, Betty never told me this, she had never told me this,

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I had never heard her tell me this, Betty told me that we were inside a UFO in her dreams,

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and look, she did not know how we got there, and she told you that you were also inside, and they brought you her,

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and you told me, yes, she told me they had brought my teeth to her, so she told you everything like you had experienced,

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and it was really being stopped by the men, now she did not tell me about being stopped by the men, she did not have this in her dreams,

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this was only when I was hypnotized, the only one we had to talk about, that I saw this,

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not any more time for this, not any more time for this, how many of you think it really happened,

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it did happen, I don't know what to say, I don't want to remember it,

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I was told I won't remember it, and I don't know what to say,

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I was told in my mind that I would forget that it happened, the UFO was in my mind, the UFO was in my mind,

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I thought it was the man I saw looking down at me, and I was looking back at him, and I was at Indian Head,

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and I thought it was him who told me that I should be found, and that I should not be afraid,

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and that no harm would come to me, and that I would be met, alone to go on my way,

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but I would forget everything, and I would never remember it again,

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have you ever had anything for that day like this?

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In 1957, Dr. Chisholm in Philadelphia treated me for a fish dealer,

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and he would take and put some kind of saw on his hands, and this was the only time I can remember,

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except when I was very young, and I was given an enemy by my mother, that I had something to put in my acting,

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and I just agree with what you are not agree with me.

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I don't understand what we do like this, or what we do good like this.

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I'm not even one of us. I thought you were different.

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Why do you account for the fact that you know nothing about Betty's experience, you seem to know everything about George?

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I was not in the same room with Betty. I don't know where Betty is.

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I don't know where she is, and I was carried into a room, and I tap on a table,

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and I wanted to be afraid, and yet I sometimes was not afraid enough to run,

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and I thought it would soon be over if they burned on me, and I was way just there about it.

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You said before, last time, that you don't know what happened with Betty,

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but you also said to me that Betty never talked about these experiences,

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and it seems to me that he did tell you a lot about it.

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She told you about being put on a table. She told you about having something put into her navel.

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She told you about herself?

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Yeah.

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What you told me before I hypnotized you, that you didn't know anything about that.

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In fact, you told me that when I hypnotized you, you didn't know what happened with Betty.

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I did not know what happened to Betty when I was on the highway.

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I never believed in dreams, and if you never believed in dreams, why do you believe in it?

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I never dreamed about UFOs until last Sunday I dreamed about a UFO,

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and I dreamed about a UFO Tuesday night and Wednesday night,

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and this was the first time in my life I had ever dreamed about a UFO.

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You told me two times ago that you had put out this video, what do you believe about that?

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I felt that I had never known what this feeling felt like,

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and that I felt disassociated as if I was doing things and my body was moving,

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and yet all my senses were to do something else.

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And I had never felt like this before in my life, and I felt disassociated,

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and I then felt that these men had taken me.

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I have only experienced that feeling of gain when I was in your office,

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and you made a little doggy come into the room, and I was hypnotized,

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and I felt a little doggy was there with hallucination,

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and that was her hallucination, and how about the experience of being kidnapped?

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Could medicine ever be nice and good?

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I wish I could think it was a hallucination, but why couldn't I think?

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I don't know.

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I don't know what it is, don't you?

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I live straight and I don't know how to think of you, so let's explain it.

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How about Mr. Webb, who tells you that something else will happen?

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Mr. Webb didn't suggest that something happened to me.

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They said that there was a period from Indian head to Ashram

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and I was wondering what was worth redoing, and I kept thinking,

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and all I could remember was being out on the highway at Indian head,

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and I could never remember except to run back to my car and drive away,

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and I did not know what I was doing from Indian head to Ashram

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when Mr. Jackson and Mr. Hallman were the boss we do work with at the both of you.

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I did not feel disassociated.

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I just didn't think about it, or I did not feel anything,

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except I had to have driven and that is all I thought that happened.

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Are you sure, or do you feel sure that this actually happened?

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Or can't think of some other explanation?

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I feel very sure it happened.

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The development field, in the vehicle, only the one I thought was the leader.

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And the people you thought was the leader in the facial?

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Yes, what can I say?

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He did not speak by words.

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I was told what to do by his thoughts, making my thoughts understand.

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And I could hear him, and I could not understand, and yet I could understand him,

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and I was told I would not be harmed, and that is why I have not a philosophy.

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I am living the mulliest mental level of anything,

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being able to understand someone else's thoughts, or to have no thoughts on the truth of someone else.

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I could understand his thoughts, but he never spoke any words to me.

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His thoughts came to me like I feel now when you talk to me,

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and you are there, and yet my eyes are closed, and you ask me questions,

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and I know you are there, but I don't know where,

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and this is how he told me that I would not be harmed,

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and that I would be let along to go, soon as they had taken me into this room.

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And then I did not see him, or hear him anymore,

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and I was going down a ramp, and I could hear his thoughts telling me

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I would not remember any of this, because I was not harmed,

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and I wanted to forget, and he helped me to forget

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by telling me that this is what I wanted to do, and I did not remember any more.

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Even if he was body-eyed, he would not be blind.

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When we were standing in the highway, in the forestry section of the light mountains on Route 3,

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the first time we stopped to get a better look at this light that was moving through the sky,

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and coming toward us, I could see this happening, and I said, it's a plane,

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and Betty said, look how it is flying, and I got Dorothy off the car, and put her chain on her,

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and I kept looking up and down the highway, because I was afraid of a car coming by and seeing me,

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while I released myself, and then I went to the front of my car, and I opened it,

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and took out a gun that I had concealed there, and put it in my pocket, and then I said,

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give me the binoculars, and I looked, and I could see that this thing that I thought was a plane

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had made a turn to the left toward Vermont, and kept turning, and started coming right back,

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and I thought I had only seen this happen when I was in Philadelphia, and I used to be a mail truck driver,

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and there was a box located near the International Airport, and just where I would stop,

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I would see planes coming in to man with the lights on, and it was a very funny feeling to see this large thing coming to land,

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and I thought of that when I was standing on the highway, that this thing is coming right toward us,

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and I said, come on Betty, let's go, and I quickly returned to the car, and I said,

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oh Betty, you're trying to make me see something that is not there, and I would slow down and look at her insistence,

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that look what it's doing, and I said, well forget it, it's just a plane, it's probably some flyer or something,

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and yet I felt very strange about a whole thing, because I could not hear any sound,

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and I wanted to hear some sound of a motor, and I could not quite understand why it was now following us off to the right,

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and when we would go around a bend in the road where it would be obstructed from view,

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it would appear as the leaves had gone around, and there it was coming around the other side of the mountain,

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and I began to really feel very alarmed and hoped that some traffic, some car, or I could see a state police to come by and say,

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look at that, it is following us, but no one came by, and I felt very uncomfortable.

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Yes, I wanted to see some of them.

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I didn't want to see those men in the lamp who had positive experience around harm, but it would be a better.

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I felt funny.

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I could not remember, and yet I knew something had happened, and I was confused that I was off of Route 3,

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and I was driving back to Route 3, and I just could not understand why I was off Route 3,

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and Betty said, well, do you believe in flying saucers now?

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And I said, oh, don't be ridiculous Betty, of course not, and we then had a beep beep beep beep sound on the car,

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and I kept quiet after that.

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Oh, didn't Betty hypnotize you?

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Oh, Betty didn't hypnotize me.

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I wanted to think she was doing this to me to make me feel better, because I kept seeing that object in the sky,

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and I finally stopped that Indian head because it was right there, large and hovering,

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and I could not understand this, so I knew I had the gun in my pocket, and I said,

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I will get out and get a better look, and I opened my car door and tried to brace my arms on the door and the roof of the car,

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and the motor was running and my arms were jiggling, so I stepped away from my car,

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and I did the object which was to the right of the car on Betty's side made an arc-like turn,

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not a turn but a swinging motion over to the left of my side, and I thought,

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my God, what is this thing? It's got to be a helicopter to just stay suspended like that,

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and it's just not making no sound, and I started walking across the highway to look at it,

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and as I walked further away from the car, I noticed with my binoculars that there were about 11 men now,

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I thought, looking down at me, and they suddenly made a turn to what I thought was a panel,

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and I could see their arms growing up, and there was one that kept looking down,

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and I kept going closer, and I could see two red lights coming out from the tip of this thing

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that did not look like a plane at all, or a helicopter, and I could see a long something coming down from the center,

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and I kept going closer and closer, and I thought, oh my God, what is this thing?

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And I felt myself being told to come closer, and I was greatly confused, and I blinked my eyes,

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and I thought, this can't be real, and I shook my head and turned it away and looked back,

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and I said, oh God, it's there, what is this thing?

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And I put my hand toward my gun, and I could not put my hand there, and I could not understand why my hands kept going up with the binoculars,

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and I was told to keep the binoculars up, and keep looking up, and keep coming closer, no harm would come to me,

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and that's when I opened my hands, and the binoculars fell around my neck, and I ran screaming back to the car

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that they were going to capture us, and yet I could not understand what they wanted to capture us for,

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and I thought I should report this to the police if ever I could find a call box or anything or a restaurant open,

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because this was very unusual for something to do that, and I thought of the military,

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and I thought since they had on Black Jack the one looking at me had on a black jacket,

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he must have been a military officer, and yet I could not quite understand why they were doing what they were doing,

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and there was no sound coming from this thing just up there in the sky.

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How did they do this?

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They didn't seem too big.

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What does that picture of them like? Are they're larger?

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I thought that they did not look too strange, they were not unlike people I see, human beings, or any other kind of eyes.

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The eyes kept coming down, but they were not the leader's eyes, and they kept telling me to keep quiet and come closer,

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and when I ran back to the car, the eyes seemed to still be in my brain, but they were not the leader's eyes,

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and I could not understand why this growing thing kept following me down the highway when I ran back to the car,

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and it kept following me, yet I knew it wasn't there, and I would blink my eyes and look off to the left, and I would look at Betty.

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I knew it couldn't be real, something in my head like that.

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What do you mean by that?

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Yes, the eyes.

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The whole thing in my head, then.

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No, my presentation.

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All right, my reason now.

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I remember it just like I remembered everything up to when I stopped at Indian Head.

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I remember everything I did, and I drove down the highway, and I went through North Woodstock and made a left turn,

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and drove a short distance and made a right turn, and then a left turn,

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and Betty was looking at me, sort of puzzled, and yet she did not question what I was going,

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and I could sense what she was thinking, and I said,

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that I know I'm doing all right, I know I'm in the right road, but I didn't think she was thinking.

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I didn't think that she was thinking.

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I thought she was thinking that I had gone off the highway, and yet, you often sense her thought?

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Yes.

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We sometimes do this.

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We sometimes try to see if one can sense what the other.

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It's not too effective.

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You might be tired of the easy things.

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Yes, I'm trying to get myself back to bed.

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Well, when I was in Philadelphia, Chief would say that she would want me to call her,

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and Chief said that many times she would lie there in her room and say,

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call me, Bonnie, call me, and then I would call her.

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Not that I thought she had asked me to call, but that I had planned to call,

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but she would say, you must have read my thoughts, because I was lying here hoping you would call.

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Could you have planned all of these thoughts of your mind, and thought that you might have been guided?

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I knew Betty hadn't hypnotized me.

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I wanted to think she had hypnotized me.

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I wanted to think that that object wasn't there, and that's why I said,

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what are you doing, Betty, trying to hypnotize me?

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And since I kept saying it's a plane, I wanted her to say, yes, it's a plane, and we drive on,

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but it kept following us, and I did not like that, and I knew it was very peculiar that a plane would follow a car down the highway like that,

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and I had hoped it was not there, and I did not want it to be there, and yet it stayed and kept going down the highway with us until I stopped,

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and it stopped and began coming closer as it made a swing over to my side of the car, and I started walking through water,

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and I knew it was there. It was very huge and very close, and I was very puzzled that it was still there,

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and then I saw a row of windows, and I could see these people looking back at me,

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and I thought, my, isn't this the most ridiculous thing, and I would shake my head and look up in another direction,

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and look back, thinking, well, maybe if I do this, it really won't be there, and it stayed there, and I kept going closer toward it,

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and I was confused that this thing could do that, and then I ran back to the car because I knew very strongly that it had planned to capture a gravity out there,

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and the man who had had the plan to capture me, how did you know that?

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I could see the thing coming very, very closer, and I too was walking closer, and I saw a, it was not like a rope,

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but a long object coming down from the bottom of it. I could see this with my binoculars and my eyes.

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I thought of the ladder, but I didn't know really what it was, except that something was coming down from it,

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and these wings that slid out were not like wings of a plane, but very more like that type, the military plane that type wings, it slid out,

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and the wings slid out from the body?

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It didn't have a fluselage type shape, and the wings began sliding out, the red lights began moving away,

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and I noticed that they were an extension of these wings, and I then was able to break away and run back to my car.

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What was the shape of this? It had more of an oval type flint type shape.

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What was the shape of this? It had more of an oval type flint type shape.

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The body was crowded with cigars.

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When it was flying in the sky, it gave the appearance of a cigar because I thought it was a passenger plane because of the longness of it,

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but then it was off at a distance, and only when I came closer did I notice that what I thought was a straight row of lights on a plane

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turned out to be a curved type of series of lights.

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Alright, now we're about there.

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I hope you have anything further.

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That's all fine.

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I'm puzzled about something that I can remember being hypnotized.

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Usually when I would come in here, I knew I had been hypnotized, but I wouldn't remember,

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and I would look at my watch and two hours would have gone by, and I would think that only about ten minutes had passed,

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and I can remember things that seemed to...

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About this today's session that I couldn't remember about any other sessions we had.

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About my UFO sighting that I was talking about,

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and certain things puzzled me, but I could not quite understand.

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I could never understand.

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I used to talk with Walter Webb when he would pay us a visit,

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and we would talk about our sighting, my sighting and Betty sighting,

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and I would always talk, and I would come right up to the men turning to the panel,

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and I never could seem to go any further than that,

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but now I can almost see just what that fellow looked like that was looking down at me,

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and that he was not frightening in a horrible sense, like a distorted or unhuman type of a creature.

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He was more... the frightening part was the military precision,

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as if a person who knew what to do could do it and was willing to carry it out.

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And when I said that he was going to capture me,

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I used to could remember that, but I never could remember why I thought he was going to capture me.

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I don't know why. Why was he going to capture me?

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Well, now I was forced out there,

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and I could never understand what caused me to walk out toward that object,

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but all my senses would do a thing like that.

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And it's very strange. It's unbelievable.

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And I'll tell you three things. Here on out, if we go along,

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we're going to be going down to become more and more conscious of what's going on in this market,

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and what you have remembered. It won't help you,

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and you'll remember more and more as you get used to it, and not be in trouble for it.

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Yes.

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You know, Benny and I used to go up to the White Mountains after this sighting.

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This would have been in the year 1962, occasionally in 1963.

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And we would drive around in these different back trails of the mountains

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because we could never seem to understand what we were doing off the main highway,

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because I just couldn't seem to understand why I felt that I was on U3,

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and yet I wasn't sure that I was on U3, but now I know that I turned off the highway.

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And how do you remember Benny talking about these things?

408
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Yes. Benny would have mentioned that.

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Now, some of the things she told me about her dreams, where I was a part of it,

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was my teeth being taken out, and I said, well, what was I doing?

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And she said, well, you weren't doing anything because she really didn't know other than that.

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You didn't stop for a rest on the time on the trip?

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Yes, we stopped. We stopped, oh, it was quite, I'd say approximately 20 miles out.

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We were 20 miles out of Montreal, but I mean, then we stopped, and no, we didn't stop at all.

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We didn't stop to take a nap, and we were like, no, we didn't never stop.

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And it was just a continuous drive down.

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I felt, in good spirits, I felt in high spirits, I was well rested from the night before,

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and we had spent a delightful day, and I knew I could drive on from the right mountains down the Putsmouth,

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so I didn't stop, I didn't feel too tired.

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But that's puzzling because, you know, Dr. Freyman's, I almost called you Dr. Stevens,

421
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it's puzzling because vaguely, I could remember a red glow in the highway,

422
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and I always thought someone was doing something like that, like dragging me down.

423
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Well, yes, if a lantern had been in the hand.

424
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Well, that would give me a red glow.

425
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No, but the glow wasn't coming from this, are they?

426
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No.

427
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The glow was just a large glow, and I thought, jeez, my God, it can't be that kind.

428
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I don't know how to say large moon, not large, but I think...

429
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Well, I thought about the moon, but the thing was right there on the highway,

430
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which I could never seem to understand.

431
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If I had looked for that spot, and looked where I said, now how can the moon be on the highway

432
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in that kind of position, and I could never seem to find any terrain up there that fit

433
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what I sort of, definitely remembered, this thing was sitting there, like,

434
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and I kept remembering these men flagging me down, and then I sort of don't remember,

435
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and now I remember.

436
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All right, then we'll continue now.